HomeMy WebLinkAboutAirport.Minutes.09-12-1991.Transcription of MeetingNARRATIVE OF AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD
SPECIAL MEETING
sEPTEMRER 12. 1991
Present:
Jerry mcclanahau .1. Ronald Fischer
Jim Bauman Kevin T. MoMevl
S1rve Nester Gavko Conrad
Juhn T. Seesi Pyr (lire. Rrann n.
Alan Maki I ioyd Smith
Rill Walkrr Jay Easth"k
Truman ndr
McClanahan: I think Alan w!_11 1, alnna. He said he would b- hire.
Cole: Who else is missina.
McClanahan: Alan Maki.
Cole: Is that it.
McClanahan: Yes.
Cole: ...
McClanahan: He runs a little late sometimes. At any rate. lets
call the meeting to order. Since this is a called meeting, I am
�► going to dispense with the approval of the minutes knowing that we
did cancel our September meeting. We will take it no at our
October meeting_. In dealing with today's subiect, the reason you
don't have an agenda in front of you is because there is one
subiect. and it has to do with land acquisition. So we would
entertain a motion for a closed meeting.
Bowman: So moved
Sewing: Second.
Cole: I didn't know this was laud acouisition.
McClanahan: i think it fines. Itdeals with that and it is in our
minutes that it is that nart-!cuiar.
lav: Do you auvs think you are acing to take some action?
Cole: The subiect. that is fine with me, but the subiect that. I
have to discuss does not have anvthing to do with land acquisition.
McClanahan: Well, I was misinformed because I thought it would be.
In that Particular case you are welcome to stay.
Cole: I don't know if you are going to be entertained but you are
welcome.
Fischer: Might I say somethin5, before vuu all get started in youi
meeting. The reason 1 am stickino
my nose in here too tndav is the
guys that are usually here
are both out of town. Al Stoverink i::
gone and so is Doug Leslie
and Jerzy called the office so Julie
could get out a notice of
+.he v,tinq today. Thev both said
goodbye. can you covetfor
US rorrIorrow. and I said v,. i might
say that dreg Branum fi m
Couare.;sman F.ruer Son'S office o,tnht be
here. Greg and I and Al have
ciiscusse,l with L1ovd South and Bill
Emerson. 30 or 45 days ago.
r ssibl, FAA '_undino_, diffei-int tvD-
of funds, what was available
and what wasn't. i knew tnat part c..
vour discussion miaht tall,
about FAA tundino. so I acl:ecl ,.—u tc
pleas- be here if he coul .
a, a .gnu C,- of intoriiiat I ori. He . ❑ct
in anv way at'emptinu tai ::av
, should nr shouldn't d,.� anvl
He will ;us_.t be here as a
sourc_ of information if a question
arises and if somoune wants
t'� a:ah him about.
Cole: Gavle, what happened
about the recorder.
Fischer: Right here.
Cole: Bless your heart.
McClanahan: Okay_, back to the main thing. I see no reason for Jay
not to be here. I think it is dealing with a subject ... Since we
are gathering two more here we will wait just a moment. Okay I
will open the meeting. If you would please be seated and we will
get on with this thing. The subject tl,en will be whether the
terminal buildina is to be done as Der plans or whether it should
be put on hold I think rs exactly the rest of the subi,_-ct ruattei.
I think That is. I will limit this meeting to two iioors. and
hopefully with as many bright faces we bav� bete we :.,ii.i -11Y U,
to
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to a decision in tw,, hours. I ar, going to give the - t. Mi,
Cole. I believe he has .i it, ct. _, �,,id.
Cole: Will somebody tell me who this atntlernan is.
Fischer: rp „
He -is 1;eg BLIWI,I'g„u,Js-ma
ll !en �n`
Soer o' ofti��
he lust told me that hethouahr Ll ovd Srti. tt),was on t ti- wav
Lloyd will come in and -i 11,t be a soectater hers r,>.
McClanahan: They are here sii- tiv for anewexe. al,,ut fedei 11'undz
and how the,, are enacted.
Cole: Mr. Cl,alrman. I have one icquest that. I would like, ,n fact
T have two requests that I would like. One is that I have thrF
little short presentation that I want to make. The other is that
I be allowed to make it without interruption. I am certain there
will Lo discussion following it along with questions. if tl:e
questions are for me. I will be happy to answer them. But I would
like to go ahead and make my remarks without interrnpti.on it T
\. could. I also ,al led Gayle and requested that she bring a tape
recui,le; sa th.,[ this m,etinq in part.iculat will. may he more word:_.
said than she can take down manually and that this be preserved for
the record. With that I am goinq to start by tryinq to define, as
I see it, the purpose of all airport advisory board and the
functions that it should serve. I can put those in two categories.
One is that the board .. to be cognizant of. make a studv of,
tecoani.ze all of the phases of the airport operation that occur
here. The ether is that we, as a board. should make rronsfderrerd
judgments of all these matt.-rs and in evi-ry instanr•.- we should make
recommendation,. to th, :r^i tv t'.oun,-i i Ti t,-rmt: .f what wean,I
u::�
what our studies have d!.1o=:.-d. We arl "''cl,rstancl that thr,nly
thirro we can do is make t,,. nmur Ind,+, no,, T1. is to tL. r', I,
Counci-1 to i-nrp]enrent these- or r,5-,t th-in as thev f-rt. Ti''. Ir
T can co bank iu,,i , If t.t I, v. T Ira,,.- ter :,.•I ieve t1,,1 ,., I1,- I,..
.some of tl, Ilia [t. els rr,av tint Kai,, ha. 'I as much st tidy —li
: .. :i del ati nn a_, !iiev -..e, veil- ,t 1 n, rnin'i.,rl ;[ n:l
Vie th, hoard's I,,t n, I'!,Rnt. W, i,ev� now e of nods, t tp,Im t u ! Ilk at.
T 11,1 111, 1 1-r rief I.) I- th. ob iert malty W-11. drat,,!,.r t,�. r..
to ..avoid rnaki ,,I anni1 -i mistake ire r:l :,tn1rr!:r t.l,�s airport? T r.t,�,.
to +,ter t.n two thinp That t1,.e onrn,nns T have 1,.-,I I I,,,, -ssed
may have been misdate,!. and the tltina I am ooinc, to refit to ...
the headlong rush into huvipa the Farquhar hanoet which was deemed
to be a pond investmentbecause it was aping to return 88,400 a
year. We rushed headlona into it and oot that done. The present
situation not only is not. returning $8.400 a year, it is ooina to
reauire the expenditure of considerable money, I have heard $10,000
as an estimateto repair the buildina so that it will be occupied
by the tenant. Tf I art, in error, it is in numbers. and I have not
studied that. The other one I want to refer to is that 20 years
aan there wire probably Sri to CO orivatel v. individual lv owned
airnlanes on this field crvino for hanaer space. At the time the
new irmwav was hrtilt T had a new aitulane sittinq out there. and
about once a month T would have to com,- out and wash the cement
off. and there was a hnn,•lr of airplanes not tho!,- lik.• that,
Hanger space wan. teiril,ly needed. qme ci I'I-,ar taIIoes have
d.:.veloped sine•, then tl-„it }rrvr• d-sirrrated the num},.-i of
own,,] ai rp_lanes hae.,d ,:n tl !_. at o—I R'mebndv tol,,_,
there ate now ahrnrt 5 o don't 1, r th:,t II. tet ,,, not
sir that thr _nnvt rn„tl ern .,t lh.- I-ha::n.-1 1"raf II11 TA nal r:1 a
uat ion where w,- hav- r w, ,lon't I,,, anv
a` ,i ani i n not !.n t..-he e h,-'t, r•rrt a},..1 t.-v- Hen 'to"
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su�.-li at,d veru rap Yranr •,ni�sl t I.,t. by . it
thi no of the pas! Ile pts.. o,ou1 .11�t ,rnn'c aan'1 afford ,I Tyre
on1v r}ri nn 1.hat I, 1, Iter a,:pn, r-_ „,.d „1 h„ ai nor is
except some inch v:, d tial .,s, that -'I 't f,t wtii 1'.- ... nor ate
ai rpl ones. Thele wi-11. ,cit Ile I. rid vi du ally own rd a r n an es. 7
think w.- can rook +„ward the day that oou would have to find mavbe
ane or two on the can, r.i rardeau airpntt atthe outsideand thev
prr,bably have to he nwnd by noct or-. T don't think th.-t-e are vcry
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pea[L nu -i lies start. -,i •.ter vi~nJ ',, ne py ta'u.'., 11 was fh..1, t J wr-:
,hie to nht air an 1 1 1 rr 1, 1v. Thr, „u -II i),, Slav II .. I'Iv
nuit. Three was: ri"f tlit Tn pot in tl-r, int.t illinrrr i= r1) 1 row
enouoh Dl. .,.enaer t1-1ff-iI 'ler lied ill this oily tI, nlaY it an
att tact ive stop for ar airline. We }lave anne from, T ou ess from
fhe tiR1. n_.ark oii 1.1-d uut tl-1ev might. have Fern a first trier
airl i.ne. T don't know. If mi aht have been classed as a trunk. line.
We have one from that to second tier ... .since third Piet and hank
to seoond and the essential air services urovis:ion. and this man
hVre (.lnhn) will VInl',ahly know a lot mote ahout this than I
do, hutit is my inforRi ratl.nn that the- essential ai.r s:er vices.
stik',sI dv that we are elite -ld Iv hal ki na al'orit to nt'ovirle ei t..t vi, -e
it here will I— a nnnex '.tent fun'1-r nn br-f n,. the 1997 e3 er-tion.
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whenever the fiscal year gets over? That information needs to be
revisited as part of the information.
Fischer: We do have, as you all saw in the paper, or you act a
memo from Mark in reference to the FAA funding. The $417,000
improvement. That was a verbal message we received. We are
waiting now for the grant itself. Once we get the grant it is my
understanding that we have to approve that by the first of October.
We haven't even pot it. If we get it we will take it to the
Council Monday night of course. Now as far as losing funding, I am
not sure. We can't accumulate over $900,000 can we? Do von know?
Greg: I don't think it is a dollar amount. I think it is a three
year, you can't go beyond a three year.
Fischer: Right. So what we have here we have $417,000 of that
$900,000 that we now have accumulated. We have that in a proiect,
the airport terminal building renovation. In addition to that we
have a $100.000 energy grant which will take care of parts of the
mechanical in line with our portion. Then of course we have our
money. The City's portion of this terminal building renovation is
already available in the bank which was from bonds that were sold
about a year and half, two years ago. So all the money is in hand.
Now speaking to, lets say, Alan commented, you may change your
r..- mind, he said I would be in favor in renovation if the funds were
not available at all for a new terminal. I think you have two
questions you have to look at there. Number one, with the figures
we have today there would be about $1,800,000 of local funds that
would be necessary according to this table I sent to you out of
local finds. That would be a bond issue that would have to be
passed by the people. The other part would he S3,221,000 worth of
FAA funds. I guess that would be discretionary funds. Am I
correct? I would assume. You wouldn't be able to match any of
your $900,000 funds that you have now with FAA funds. Now you guys
correct me if I am wrong.
Greg: I am not sure where you are right now. As a primary
airport.
Fischer: You go ahead and explain it. That is fine.
Greg: As a primary airport the opportunity for discretionary funds
is not there.
Fischer: We are a primary airport.
Greg: A primary airport. You can only use your entitlement funds
for terminal expansion, renovation, addition, new terminal. You
can only use the formula that provides funding for non -revenue
producing areas. That is your 38 percent. So it is my
'► understanding that $417,000 or $418,000 that is authorized is not
new money. It is your existing entitlement money that you already
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have. So you have 8900,000 in the kitty. I thouo ht it was
somewhat less than that. You can onlv use $416.000 of that for the
proposed renovation. That is all the Federal money of the FAA.
You cannot dip into discretionary as a primary airport..
Cole: May I interrupt. Maybe not, but it seems like to me that we
have gotten away from the subject because the subject is do we
pause and make a study to determine what this City really would
like to do and then its time to talk about money.
Fischer: But Alan in his comment referred to funding. He had a
question in mind, was he going to lose some funding. That is what
I am trying to speak to is are you going to lose money. October 1
is a deadline.
Seesing: I was talking to Mark when I found out we had to approve
this by the 1st of October. What if it doesn't act approved by
that time, what would we lose? He said there is $13.000 we will
lose because it has pone past the three years. I don't see that in
here anywhere but that.
Maki: I was lookina throuah my back minutes.
Seesing: We lose anything that is three vests old at that time,
that is the cutoff time. and he said we have used all of it except
513.000.
Walker: I would think that if we dial put this on hold then we
could find a wav to allocate that $13.000.
Fischer: No. I think that is pone.
Seesino: It would be after the 30th of September.
Fischer: I think that is gone.
McClanahan: But the 30th of September we pick up the next year's
entitlement, and that runs a year behind.
Maki: Are you going to aet next year's entitlement with under
10,000?
Mcrlanahan: This is what I am addressinq to Greg. I believe you
are one year behind at all times, am I not right? In other words
our entitlement comes from.
Greg: I would have to ask Marl: or Doul Leslie or Ron.
Fischer: Yes, it is one vear behind. Sn October 1 we should
qualify for last vears. which. was 10.000. so that would be th-
... fourth year.
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McClanahan: Then this next year. pi ovidinq we don't make our
10,000, then we lose it.
Fischer: We lose the primary designation.
McClanahan: Do _you understand that? Tha` is the way I understood
it to be,
Maki: If we lose the ori irary desi anati on and ao into disci et ionary
funds, is there discretionary funding available? You were saving
not as a primary.
Greg: If you lose the orimai:v designation which ,vet-vboly is
assuming you will.
McClanahan: Yes. We are assuming it is goina to happen
Greg: You would then ao, instead of FAA regional office in Kansas
City to the Missouri Dopar'tment of Highway and Transportation
Aviation Division, which is soon to begin October 1 its third year
of a three year pilot program where the state takes over the FAA
responsibilities within the state. There is a maximum of 5200,OOn
per applicant discretionary money for terminal renovation whatever.
That is a maximum that is set aside Talking with the chief of
the Aviation Division of the Missouri Highway and Transportation
Department, they have not utilized any funds for any airport
terminal projects in the current two years that the pilot program
has gone on. There have been too many requests for basic
necessities of runways, aprons, etc. to allocate any funds for
that. Now this is the third year that is starting October 1.. In
60 to 90 days after October 1 they will have their third year
allocations allocated. So you are in a catch 22. You won't know
until the end of this year in December if you are going to have
10,000 enplanements to drop out of primarv. They will aireadv have
their money allocat,l by fh,.-,i for hho upcoming fiscal year
beginning October 1. It i= only $200,000 maximum and th, tat -
hasn't been giving any so there is not much reliance tF,Nre.
Seesing: Isn't there some other fund, available on grants? As
understood it in one of thF meetivas that vnu went to in Kansas
City with the FAA, that monev is allocated to a lot of airnort-.
that can't match the monev and so th.- federal monev comes back into
a pool. They are not ahle to do their proiects and everything and
from that airports can request grants. Ir: tl'.at your lis,retionary
funds?
Greg: That is your disi,r+-tionarv.
Maki: That is limited to 5200.000 nr is that a separate pool from
the .;tate?
;;reg: It is x`200.000 cn c,= y, a of nut of the primary eat,•goty.
not concerned ab�i, it it be i , I a t I u,- ,. ,-t in r he Future, w,= ,-aa
'ills t eva ctly that. We can keep :t a_r,vio until 1 fl. nai l make -• nn
tense 1 s. _t"nd ,rl„n—V on 11 . ')I we "an ifial.e nq,= Luvi— "r—'I „)G
and i calI there :. n ves tmer,ts because they are inve tmen t . and thev
are aoina to take ,.:-obably mores iuves;f„wet prom the-o,,m,,n,ty 11 Kar,
we are aoina to be able to pent! -ate from the fed -cal level and we
ate aoina to aenerate a louu e! t.„rm biolb-t- tax base, which in turn
generates more service. draws more business, draws more ... So
from that standpoint T think we need an objective statement from
the powers that be, whoever those powers be.
Fischer: I can't speak for the Council. of ,-ou!rse, they speak for
themselves. I work for the City. Let me just mention just a
couple of things though. The City Council approved the plan that
you all asked to do with CMT and funded that. Of course FAA funded
a major part of it. but they approved that. Then they approved a
bond issue of $700.000 to a million dollars for projects to match
federal funds down thee,.•. I think that ought to be some kind of
direction that the Citv Council felt that there was priority. That
was something that they had nevernever. never done in tha past..
The only other ways volt act finds down here, and another thing they
had a full rime Airport Manaoer that they had never had in the
oast. I think the City Cnuncil and 1 -Ii- administration lo,,kc at
this as; a priority fcr w, r,ry the br,nd that h.;. ,,-en
made availablethe studv that von all have b -en -i F,ig i- of
oi;ffinu together ;,,,th CM- n,,:'.1Ith,t. ' tliinY. tt:ev 1,a •,ra Ann..
that , 1 dhvn
don't have the lz,.-v ofsavtnn this is the only
we hare. i think sincr.„ 6, -last !ht ee to t-,ur years
mor ,= general rev-ni�- funds sa,ent of the airport than aver
h..fnr e. sl:-- 1111'u to fr- t. =1s. I th, r,,ly r'i,e Cit„
expect': na vru aentl=men to brinq fhos�• coals, volt oen`i-rnen a:: ae
adv,: -v l.,card d to con,.. - real,,.- t �,-:rinn,t !,det inns. Not -111 1-1
i deae r hat ,.oak;. recommendations.
Walker: That !-al 1y changes our perspective.
Fischer: You recommended this plan, you recommended renovation of
the terminal hui l ding. you recommended a water system, you
recommended fire protection, you recommended some runways out here,
you recommended 1 --hangars. All these have been this board's
recommendation.
Cole: I do not believe that anybody can , iticize the support that
this board, this airport has had from the City Council. I think.
T am t-peakinq fot myself, tl-,at T have done an exceedingly poor too
either in partici.patinu in the recommendations. some of them, in
varticinat trip_ in the � ,cc)ir,,i,-nlatrons. �,t [1, ,ev Ccntir. ibu+.Ion for the
planninu for this. airport. T t},i,nk have done a foot iol., and at
a IrtsL of artt. ina lvn,•h-A T an, .. ;,u `„ .av - the nk thet ate -ome
othere. at this to! 1a --11. Talke, -.m Bowman. niaht he... Ar
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Mali down' t rom,� f f en H ..... t o : 1 � � i n r,,,. in,-! ... ?
t),, nl: - have don- a onr,, rob ;, !ee er enc- t;- r1 ac,- h .:
- 1h -
a while a yo. th- way to stop. ,i tUnawey holee is to hot on him. We
have a runaway horse tight now in my opinion and I think we need to
stop him and do what Bill is talking about.
Walker: If we don't tah.e any `.I,i ny but two weeks.
Fischer: We have to ;lo something nef,i two weeks. The grant to,
this project h:az: to 1-- e`ti— coil don't want to dr i1 of 'r .:u want
,. do it. by Onfol,er 1 or vete C -1,-.e tr it. You have to mak,- that
decision on th,_{. ai alt. 't 1., 1 Cost. .:u any money bean -I,
what you will have 1.: t1: rn `in'.,: -1: ai nun an,l I
�. s :'omew
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send II Ic,.io �, tie FAA Io
utast prtoposal and .� ' � .a 111 1. .
Walker: We ars a1..aJ: if. aa. �,,,_„1,t nl-lab; lit+
F s, -II-L I dol, 't. t I I I Ilk VIII er. ,Ina +r . n
I,a Ve t Ifla k.: that da-_. _tn 311d lit P11
pack.,q- III I:=nd, 11 you pan at a I'll di molt t.-1 veinal bu t nn
that ha-. tw,, h, is r., fe,lera1 fumit n .I'l bon:'l issue. I am not
vu:_b:�I, -I tli,-, on . l„• tev,, a:,.. FI, mi rin! 'ar - ,! rill.
cInn nor int $I:nn. oo^ _i tv funds Wehave to start makiun na volel',ts.
Ai aht ..ow we ate lit oak.i na ev.-n nn the 1 if -:'.t.
Walker: How lono can we arhitraae?
Fi s, -het: We can't arbitrnu,• anvmoie. What _s happening to us, now
is we are lucky to break even. Yott know the interest rates.
Listen, believe me. I don't ,are. Whatever decision thi:- board
makes and recommends to the council, whatever- the rite Council
decides on, I will carry and have no prnbl enis with it. I think you
a!1 need to rea'iize you have a bird in hand. You can c!,.I this and
within 90 days. you will 1 -Ie under construction ... But von know,
you mentioned Houcl; Star -,.urs. Sljr ',-mle-Center o:. Houck Stadium.
7erry Mop.- tnld me that. sl -,?v too. and leily ha:! Fie, -n .a v.ai
successful oer son. HI- told Biil Elm. -c,,, and his people that
uue,ai on, r ant t, t} -Inl:i Irl ,ko,t! 1. hot. '=ou know th,
Show -M. --is L,-t.i 111 111, 1!i-,— >n +I,-. .ill and Ii ht nu': IT— Flu Jl:
Field ., silt lot, - Itlt i I I - r,Ii d,l'... o° r-- 'en! I ill T
was:;'t ..s haste :,r:I , - ,._,
1,. I pr nperat.-,. nr eu"ti,
Iik,. that `N, ith n tl_ .},, ,-Me- It .-r. „e Show -M,.- ,•nir1 SII
If the -Il*
.a='t% w1u.1., 1,.-7, The a r: -l`_: .II _I .� fIII- kit lz.
on Ii Hou -I, vi el 7 a,,n,-�_ i, ^.; 1, ki„ it n't 1..
t est. =u: ar+a I,r, '.._ .. It�p„i,I ,..1..
n 1-n.a Ll lsh on ,tie ,v e`t' - HOPI i. -I til 1
l,r ' no.. -.1 i.tn ,.1 I asL if?, TIII Iv list
te:'Ini oat l,'Ji'. 11 I. -, .e. nI, 111 _r1 and then }qui 111
!.we'e , 1 , „r Im,d f , a ,.1, p.Iad 311,'. do t+ -I,+'1 1 1 at
the ri ah.- „at Ilo., I, - . I,..nut,.. diLYrl't int n, ?rut ..nal
that '.I,-. I.yht tai t I 7,, I,, tit to 1,.-,ve a Ir•rIr 11.11 'II, 1 111r1,
`r. her r,=ncly±ted that wools' h-. anod tc: =II,,thee In or 'n V`- IIS that
will oervil:- a t . . 1'1::. put-atot. a ,huff -t �_rv:. I'v,. a
u talo_ abi
VI It a ti-rld n..4 :c'lrl'i ,,I I
t+l'rr r:- 11),•i't tlhat i, - ,uq
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hu1111„ r;ow ,,. , in: II,• ? Il i.; in
t chF� nl: ra. .:. 1'ha! 1 ,., 1 -.at _im ,'✓its,'::. W.- P,a-,:- t.l .: at
we -h, a'.•._ a bi id i;f hani ' ri It't I:IIr if we -ren han:� h,•:-1..
P,elI. eve in,.. 'r=t-: .I D IIIf these and 'aid a m=w t:-rnn nal hu 1' 11 r..
Thate. fine. Fut I dc.l't I'n,w that you wail -.e.. c.r•} n •:yew
I-rmi nal. '.in,a man, t.Imes. did w� 11 a r -h. pond iszue befo,-i-
rYr.
oecole for the 5880.009 fou tl F
-.- xtenderl runw,v. twi or thr e-�
times hi -for. it was ead
se a. Aft er it passed what happened' Do you
Cemembei' We called the FAA and _ai.d ).,ov we are Lead,. Tit,', t-•ai.d
we (Inn 't want to build thktI ur, •,aay anymot e. RemembeC that? Whst
did we have to dn? W1 wi—O ti senat.or, the one that had the uu L'i
with On, President, Lona. We w-nf to him an.!1 he ant it i -instal -J.
oo look at all the if., -'. ,. I out these.
r.11: I ani sol!-" - intra n¢t1r' You. lou had art, -ibu Y..:1 some hi nu
th,t did not .. r haven't ii rl I .rant to Nii III --. -F.w terminal
!',ildi na. Not ,o,t ;.. . b. -,d IIFf * vr, n -r ., r. -I1 todaf
II, r'dlna n j,Y%4 }-11 r,ql I }1:.- „r• }-
Lerr.arkz . 11 _ iavh.- _ f tli -, n. ii-
tl i n to do i},. -a•... .. n .-�I. rwn s_
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tjinn - •11 i. „,:. .t
.-w t. rtr -1 b:;i Jin, -I this l: Fut _ _ -,r`
what If!, "lett{ _ :11111 t ., tI,. Pi,t. , ser`• a 1 11 7011'.: -,
the ,vera of tt itty (if I it was etv_ ha; ' i,
suncort even A_r,nn .000 Fri , 1'.P ., io1 1 -nil ldi -:,a tIII m
-- un
airpa•t wifh th.- lack of ,;'. that wr had. Think`If a), .
Pt i know t. thath, at Cy'.r,It _- the fC,,,;' door to 1l,' 'lv +m
nl
have t -I irn,-st poney in it to m-,,, tP:•= thi n a- ow
raI e: You stat 'I That i,uhl icly I::;o. _,, •rr. i-;er -;v:;.iu tl;�l
Fischer: • m,.v L,,V,. i -)1 dn't rin,I-Ild J,i Ila ,t pit bsi 1 Y 1'11t r
."t.;'rtx,] I f .t Y-,~rav th. 11i 'I, ., a 1,ane f :.t m n
d -own he: th-s 1=-1111 fl ont d,OL an'Feverythino P Rut 41,-
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h-"j,y Y:nW 'nail'✓ - L'i. 9n.. II, 1"1:., f f nfl 1C, 31? , ;Y D: •'. :.
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hav,.,'t -, f-. -sr.. t'r. i. - i l l
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hau.' w'hal you have t'I va.1 al :'. 1, t„
todAv. 1':'u ran ;t I ke it out
aai T Wi.11 supuoi't you on a new r
I wi l! Qo ro ha` `01 cr"
T W,iI .,hatever. But you all 'rn.d- a
ofc h!-:rars au
1,. .,,.�ruig, 'u In a Yet 1].1 l:al
1,4 dinq amt to -la-: yuu'
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outside the City so they didn't have to ... and all of the
restrictions. They wanted to be by the water. They wanted the
railroad, they wanted the good highway system. One of the things
was this airoert. Thev would not take their corporate lets and his
airplanes into a place that did not have all of the facilities.
Well we met. that. We had the FAA fliaht rvire station, we had
the air traffic control tower. we had the instrument landino
system, and we had the adequate runways, the 5,000 foot runway.
When that runway was built it was built for the airlines that were
coming in here with lets that didn't materialize. T don't think
that any of us can say that it wasn't a good idea to do all that
because we've got P&G no there hixina all the people. Thev are
going to close another shoe factor -v. Thev have built another line
and take all of the people. We have a Good employer in onr area.
I have always said that it doesn't make a bit of difference whether
there is anybody in Cape Girardeau that flies an airplane. We need
a good airport because of its entry to the City to make it possible
for people to come here who provide emplovment. I don't know what
effect that is going to have on the terminal building except that
that is one of the things people see when they come in. They see
a good terminal. The renovation of the terminal buildina was the
lowest on my priorities and how to handle them. That is what we
approved and that is what we have approved right now. That may not
be the thing to do again. I think the only thing we will lose by
reconsidering it is $13,000. That is what drops off after the
first of October. I think when we on to doing this reconsidering
we've got to consider now what will this airport do to bring people
like Dana Corporation and MSW. Well M&W came because of P&G—to
bring P&G and companies of that nature.
Cole: And companies.that transportation companies that can operate
off there.
Seesino: That rs anotl'-er area. Transportation comoanie^ are
something else. That is what you are talkina about. Getting
Federal Express and I1PS and Airborne and those people that have
terminals. There again. vour maintenance facilities you've aof to
have airplanes to have the maintenance facility.
Maki: Well somebody like Sabreliner. Whv is Sabreliner in
Perrvville? why is Sabrelio�i not here^
Seesina: They are in Perryville because of the runway. They onlv
have a2,000 foot runway there while we had a 5.000 foot. Thev had
the facilities, they had the buildinas and all the hangars. T
think the City kept one of them, but they had all the hangars that
were available when they started. ... Werner out of St. Louis
needed more space and they moved down there first. Thev were the
Sabreliner distributors for North American. Then Rockwell bouaht
them and moved it all to ...
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McClanahan: I tI,in], th- fa, -t i, an- on th- tail -. T don't. know.
there anybody that has act anythina else to add to it. Speak up.
Maki: One of the things 1 want to do is. I want to compliment r'i tv
staff, because I think they have been doina their job which rs. and
Al Stoverink was vet'v eloquent in his presentation, ve!'v_ off,-,�ti ve
in his presentation. I think what they ate trvinq to do was doable
today. I think th,-,e i.s m,=rit to that. The bird in the hand
analoav makes sense. There i., a Ilit e to that. Lets do what we can
do, the money is in Irami lets r'n ahead. Rut i rlo have o,,,i—r'ns
that if we are slit aoina to he in the airport business then we've
,of a l:, robI ern, wr've silent a Int. of money. and err. -n wi r tf,r
renovated plan, my Inde, •'. tandinn i F, iwc,uld ondv han,lle Iwo
ca tri er.s. Thi.. tr. arr e,,I Iv �nf lr:,lir ed. H„w are a,- ,.Ir, l,,,
those tht'e,- cart i, -re ,n h«t e. Anw 11 v, ., gnili:, ,r, ,-t }:-r
support,
M c r' l an al', art: F' -use T , ,'t w=ilt n ,nterr,_nr MI -
Maki: What +orr are ao, n. rn 1- r na ,., iI hmn _in, _. _:rl
ar nn',d a s ru,�t,ir. Bial h,o-r a l,�rnq h,n.e
th- fa,' ena of if,- si,idv thw
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w6arh<v dirt. T ri,, . w..r �',
I:d we- r, nl,a-,i. ot.. .
Rill iti i,n T was ,rl tr- to l�itr- t., .pr,r,« n, 111. Or, it !-r;a.
col nt. I don't. _- `I.,t T'11 a., o-,1' to what -.,d in tl ver,
beai.nnina. I think. vn,.rr air no, i.> ooinc to e.u,-,i—d if rt I
a00d business. but if V,oi Cont inn- t.1 s,ihsidi Ze it, it tae of a
pr oh l ern. The Port Author; t is the same damn way and we 'gave
antten ourselves it is time for ns to do somethina what we've
act to do. I think we are nn the edge of doina some of that.
People have Come to us. To fa,otti or t. now we are w tit a :ii sin
company that had waited ?' years to work with us. Thev Cam.= in
about a month and a half ario. We wat-,-h-d you for 24 'ears. hilt von
weren't ready for us. You thouaht you were ready but you weren't.
You didn't have rail seen ce. Nnw we've qat rail aoinq, we've not.
several other companies that say as soon as you aet Nash Roar; in.
Of course vun rr:uld always; list.-vervtlina your Christmas list out
there, but it is onion to take certain `h,ilas to t,i no ert.a io
ki ndc of u.-ntrle Irr here. r lir, rack rn rhos ail f, - ,alit Il" o anr,
I may be wav off base nn that. Rnt I think if you ren aet :rm,r-1,,,111
in here ,nakina mnnev n,,r , air f, ei r,ht 1,.,,.:i s, rh,at l . -mins tri ad
to other things. T aareethat the wIV ii ir. rani.„'I 11o11 7e, -
a veru rosy flit lire f,,' r..IA .. .. i.,-: '!on -r r,-, '!wt ,.rte. ot
P,,lIucah Paducah =ny day -,f th.. -..I, r ,.. 1,i the .c.I,, o.,:t-a,
u,illq forward. T tl ink ore -i. , 1, .,, ,silo.; tial n., rh;.,
we hav- people like PCG- I-:ryirl. 'PF„'r dr .. w,, =1r. ,h.-
t,,Vw t},atr
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f 1.,I _r, r, yu, I-,..
sw, tch fr , rt ori•✓at - ,.I,,, „„I ..,pont! Il,at. ,, s ii f the nhfiet
inrlue. t i.es that are in her, I -int i think fbat pa=-s.,•n „-,s "I,on
the frnet ,-nd1,1 r,:'1 un t ..,r ,I. are api n., barn- Y„ �I'
h
s omtwt i no or, a- 1,asis 11,at ,• oo!no' in mak.- i1,L_ ,ri tahle
vents,,,, n, of sant to Yh_ I .,, f l,at I- ,1 It „,-.} 1-.+ ., 1, '11
we goiva tr -.:i v,- to the I nn1f I,;! wP,a' ., ,.,,. 'n„ 6,a, -k
lchanoe taper T w0„1,9 r ilr.er w.r n,,... r 11„I
takes not ahanrlor, the ,.atuvit, inn -,''an ,han. -r „tl,.•
sl,,. onn and ,ef .] ,l uv, ,,,a.!..,I I l
t h, nk we ar.-,,,, i. no to hrn 11'1=' -.a v_- a.. ,]' ,.,rc :, W''.af
tl!e 11” 1 , f„, 1. f1t-m..', �...+ �,. 61., 1-,•- . .,t
],e reallocated to -'a v,t
..i t, if, +, -at i „ v nn F, w
_nc}. d a,v..- once „u t r,met l,; Ila ,,1+�.
, -” ,,ua fhen nosy, n„ he Tl;at cnr
r.oacer ned t. hat ,f we ,it ,,,s ml -h ,,,r,nc.v i. ntn - o rc+ f1,
F aci Iity that- the new ter*n i. r+al n, a ,,w terminala fr-ei alli
tenu
rminal is aoi. a to be nsh,-,1 wav wa•: l,a o]:. Tt i . ,poi no Yn be
ptlehed bark for ]o nt 1 vear o
Aa,n. I a,,, n,'.t cn,,, i,, -1 I,.-, Y1, ..
renovation if that is what it is not na ro take, but T am cun,,ern-d
about Iaunc}:i no ahead ti ohs uow wi. t},ol,t havi no snmehndv who I:
sayina TWE is out, we are coina to coffe in and snme},orly else is
aoi no fn come in. Th.•n vnu hold that out as a carrot in f:_not ,.f
them and sav we will out that money in them. We've art bond
i ssueF. we've got m. ev. we've at time and not ent ial to ael
,tants. but you have qot to make a conun'11rient to„ for t6,s a, r! ine
to com,- in. Fut if youwe will wo after it with vm,t.1,e r
will ao after it with vou. the Port Ai,thoi,.ty, the regi,n. , think
we can do a lot Tetter t1, ar, ?aducah. T Lave every „nF ideas iu
that, but I have sort- c,n, ir, ab„,Itut o, _e:lina r, ght now not l,a„i,,.0
that of her bird in 'nan,I. ta.. I,ava r, I,i r,l iI, !„Qd wP,I,-I-1 1
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rcveri nl n.]u,. ti, .. i,,, "t , ,i .,,.,
3aegllat e. am apo"•_
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reason why nF in',- f,.,r.. '. n., I„ „n„.t I ewe,; f,” •I„1J..
may not aiv.- fhe amoun% of ,o.rrehnrts i na tl-,,,t he -.-,1=.. H.• may hav,=
to have some ware•hoos tna e.nmen]arie el -:e T st,II t1, ,k i.t. 1.. ,-
workable plan. At any rate. I feel you are nr obahly readv to vote
on the motion if there ,., n, ,.-,ther comments. ,ayle if vnu wrll
please read the mati nn.
r=av1 e. The lf"I , an ii'L i i, , 0 t. h.. ,-novat i un of the t, -, n„ nal
bui Idi no on hold until an in ,tenth study is made and u alls devised
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